Add a buff to smugglers that allows them to hide a jedi's trail to make them harder to track.

No, we dont need to make jedi life easier.

Jedi already have plenty of ways to avoid bounty hunters if they so choose it , this is not needed at all

Jylin said:

No, we dont need to make jedi life easier.

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Agreed. Jedi do not need anymore help avoiding bounty hunters.

Also smugglers can splice weapons and now have their own missions. They have more than enough agency in this game.

Down vote

Definitely not needed

Not needed down vote

I think the point is to make Smugglers more useful in group play. This could easily work similar to the short term squad leader buffs. Have a location wipe active for 30 seconds on the target with a 2 minute reuse timer. You will see Smugglers be useful for more than just slicing weapons and armor. At the moment, it is too easy for the BHs. All they have to do is wait outside a heroic instance and gank half the Jedi population when they leave the instance. I also think what would really be cool is to have Smugglers be able to identify if a player has a bounty and hack the bounty and let the target go hunt the Bounty Hunters in return, the target isn't always a Jedi... now that would be fun.

like the idea skroos

Bounty hunters have no predators .. they need one.. lets see how they like being hunted

Skroos said:

I think the point is to make Smugglers more useful in group play. This could easily work similar to the short term squad leader buffs. Have a location wipe active for 30 seconds on the target with a 2 minute reuse timer. You will see Smugglers be useful for more than just slicing weapons and armor. At the moment, it is too easy for the BHs. All they have to do is wait outside a heroic instance and gank half the Jedi population when they leave the instance. I also think what would really be cool is to have Smugglers be able to identify if a player has a bounty and hack the bounty and let the target go hunt the Bounty Hunters in return, the target isn't always a Jedi... now that would be fun.

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With Nar Shadda and the Syndicate Swell being worked on and coming smugglers will have more. https://swgr.org/wiki/nar_shaddaa_theories/

Skroos said:

I think the point is to make Smugglers more useful in group play. This could easily work similar to the short term squad leader buffs. Have a location wipe active for 30 seconds on the target with a 2 minute reuse timer. You will see Smugglers be useful for more than just slicing weapons and armor. At the moment, it is too easy for the BHs. All they have to do is wait outside a heroic instance and gank half the Jedi population when they leave the instance. I also think what would really be cool is to have Smugglers be able to identify if a player has a bounty and hack the bounty and let the target go hunt the Bounty Hunters in return, the target isn't always a Jedi... now that would be fun.

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The instance problem is not solved by smugglers having an ability like this if the BH is already waiting in front of it - aka has found its target.

Having other people hunt bounty hunters makes no sense, they are not bounty hunters - if they would hunt another player it would be for a bounty on them which then would make them bounty hunters technically no? Bounty hunters are not exactly considered criminals.

Smugglers by theme are criminals - They smuggle and have already more exclusive content and utility to them than most classes.
Just to mention a few:
- Slicing gear
- Slicing terminals in several aspects of the game allowing them to increase mission payouts, increase material gain on invasions or even skip entire content sections where you would need a passkey or code
- Spice buff supply
- The whole section of underworld content including PvE Missions and PvP Missions.
- Feign Death to exit combat at will most of the time allowing them to literally skip entire sections of dungeons/combat.
- RP exclusive stuff like understanding all languages including lekku

Also combat wise they are one of the classes providing the most utility in their toolkit with a lot of control abilities. They are already a incredibly useful and loaded class.

If this is about creating more group synergy the whole thing should not be to be related to BH & Jedi but more general benefitting more players than just Jedi.
If you consider BH to strong, move duelist stance to MBH or similar shifts in power within the class.
Also Squad Leader is a class centered around group play. Smuggler should not be put into that category.

We don't need to make it easier for Jedi, they are not a normal class.

Thugari said:

a lot of you people hating on this is just the fact it would make your gameplay a bit harder

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Let me get this right ,,, proposing a change so that Smugglers make it even easier for Jedi to avoid Bounty Hunters is somehow going to make your gameplay harder ???
This is one hell of a take lmao

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a lot of you people hating on this is just the fact it would make your gameplay a bit harder

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No one is "hating on it." They are simply explaining the reasons why your idea stinks. Jedi knew the risks involved with playing an alpha class so they dont need their lives made easier. Smugglers are already useful enough in the game as was well explained by Jylin.

jcan0918 said:

Let me get this right ,,, proposing a change so that Smugglers make it even easier for Jedi to avoid Bounty Hunters is somehow going to make your gameplay harder ???
This is one hell of a take lmao

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He is saying "yours" because he is referring to the bounty hunters from the perspective of a jedi.

To be honest, this entire suggestion feels like its made by someone who plays a jedi and got shred by a bounty hunter and got mad over it.
This is not the first of these emotionally frustrated posts suggesting ideas pretending to buff another class - when in reality its just to normalize jedi and make it easier to play jedi with less drawbacks.
Like when you read this idea the smuggler actually does not even benefit from this themselves - literally the only class that would benefit from this change is jedi.

Can we stop making these. If you play a jedi you know what you signed up for - If you cant handle it then you have a 3 more character slots to play a normal class.

Also i play a smuggler by the way - just saying it before people try to call me a salty bounty hunter

Whoa, slow your roll there. No need to get all bent outta shape. Somebody might think you have a salty BH alt or sumpthin.

Anyway i kinda see what they are trying to do here. Imagine you and 7 of your buddies with limited play time want to do a bunch of high level heroics, and one of the pretty much mandatory for high level heroics jedi gets ganked by a BH group after your first one gets done, while you and your six buddies stand and watch the rest of your day potentially get ruined or in the very least held back till you find another jedi to fill one of the probably two spots .

And all you can do is watch. Now I understand the whole can of worms that opens IF you let the whole group TEF to a BH attack on a group mate. But it still sucks to watch that happen and have been there to subsequently watch the group disintegrate afterwards.

Also i agree that Smuggler is the wrong choice for this type of buff think tank. Give it to Master Bounty Hunter. Thematically it would make more sense as well as actually give BH a possible role to play in heroics (right now there isn't really a place for them outside group hunting or low-level Heroics)

Another idea, and im just tossing this out there. Let bounty hunters who are grouped with jedi join in to the fight. and to spice it up further if the jedis group wins, the bounty gets cleared and the grouped BH's get the payout split equally. Make stuff interesting!

It does not matter if you or your buddies have limited playtime.
The next person is gonna show up and complain about how they have limited playtime leveling up a jedi and therefore it should not have punishment at all - as you said there is an entire can of worms here.

If you cant defend yourself as a jedi against a bounty hunter and get killed inbetween heroics, thats just normal drawback of being a jedi.
Thats simply the risk of playing the class. Theres no reason for this to change.

Its a different story when this is about being attacked in loading or fresh out of loading screen - In this case adding a grace period of 30-60 seconds would make more sense.
It still remains, if you cant handle bounty hunters as a jedi regardless of what you are currently doing and if it is within your comfort zone right this moment, do not play it.

It also absolutely does not make sense for a bounty to be cleared when the bounty target did not die. It will also cause massive abuse with BH alts/friends.

Either way - This is off topic by now

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He is saying "yours" because he is referring to the bounty hunters from the perspective of a jedi.

To be honest, this entire suggestion feels like its made by someone who plays a jedi and got shred by a bounty hunter and got mad over it.
This is not the first of these emotionally frustrated posts suggesting ideas pretending to buff another class - when in reality its just to normalize jedi and make it easier to play jedi with less drawbacks.
Like when you read this idea the smuggler actually does not even benefit from this themselves - literally the only class that would benefit from this change is jedi.

Can we stop making these. If you play a jedi you know what you signed up for - If you cant handle it then you have a 3 more character slots to play a normal class.

Also i play a smuggler by the way - just saying it before people try to call me a salty bounty hunter

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/thumbs up
I was thinking of the "make MBH great again" thread when reading this PV. Same thing.

These are the type of threads I remember from the SWG forums back when the game was live . It always circled back to the same thing: make the Jedi grind easier. Some things never change.

to me it just sounds like a bunch of Salty Players that Hate the Jedi class so their viewpoint is so skewed that's all they can think about. The buff doesn't have to just apply to Jedi. I understand the post mentioned to help Jedi. Yall need to think outside the box instead of Narrow minded I mean this from a perspective view point. And to insult someone claiming that they only made this because they keep dying to Jedi is just juvenile behavior. The buff he is referring to would benefit all players. I think this Player voice needs to be viewed without personal feelings involved. It's just an Idea and everyone is throwing pitty parties over it. everyone's mind is different and thinks in different ways. So just because someone comes up with a idea that they think is really cool. wether it makes it into the game or not they have a right to their ideas that they post. It's fine if you disagree with it. Smugglers are a fun class to play I played one before and yes they do have wonderful content they can play. The idea the Original post was trying to make is to add another benefit to the class. IF you truly think about it, it would make sense to give the Smuggler this ability to benefit All players even their own. With Smugglers carrying illegal contraband and being known as criminals themselvers for dealing with shady business. It would make sense to give them this buff to hide their own tracks. especially with underworld content to hide from the npc bounties temporarily or even PVP bounty hunters temporarily make the buff last like 10 seconds so they can try to escape persay with a 2 minute cooldown on the buff. This is called thinking and thinking outside the box instead of being close minded just because the post mentioned Jedi. Also this buff could also be used to hid contraband from the npc's that gank you in cities if you hide your trail they dont detect you so your vehicle doesn't get stopped and checked for illegal goods. These are reasons why i feel it's really good idea. That's all it is an IDEA that a player thought would be cool to be in the game. Wether you disagree or agree This player is allowed to have their Idea heard. If you disagree Downvote if you agree upvote it's literally that simple.

sounds silly to me.