GCW Invasion

GCW Invasion
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fireeubi

Proposal
Make it so if you attack built structures such as the turrets and barricades you are flagged SF for PvP.
Justification
Having people come into an invasion and destroy all the structures to prevent being able to pick up the quests with no way to defend or fight back does not make sense. There needs to be consequences to actions instead of a free troll opportunity.
Motivation
Multiple times there has been characters show up to an invasion flag combatant destroy all the barricades and turrets and leave just to troll or deny content. The problem is there is no way to defend or prevent the uncontested destruction of the structures.
I am suggesting a change to City Invasion mechanics to allow for the defense of built structures during the invasion from combatants being allowed to destroy everything and leave just to troll groups or to freely collect a collection for a badge. There should be a mechanic that allows for the forced flagging of characters that attack structures just like the one used to flag if the General is attacked.
 
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The question is why is someone going SF in a PvE zone? Sounds to me, that you just want an easy win for a better payout. If you are so obsessed
with PvP, why are you not doing it elsewhere? PvP is always an option, not a necessity and you have alot of options now with the new update.
Instead you are complaining about city invasions, because someone broke your little toys. From a PvE perspective i could also say, how about everyone
who is SF in a city invasion will be dropped to combatant. It is pretty wild, that you call it trolling or even denying content, when they are doining just the
opposite. It is called "PLAYING THE GAME". And if you dont like it, then leave it!
 
Not sure why you responded with much hostility to a suggestion. It isn't a personal attack against you.

You are able to go SF anywhere in the Galaxy. Normally yes I would say the majority of a city invasion is PvE but there have been numerous times where they have developed into PvP. It is actually a lot of fun when people get together to contest invasions. I personally do PvP other places in Flashpoints, battlefields, Restuss, and open world.

What is the reasoning/justification for suggesting forcing everyone to combatant for an invasion?

It is trolling/denying content. My opinion is it is abusing the system. Being able to show up, destroy the ability for people to pick up and complete quests with no way or ability to defend doesn't make sense. When you consider that people come destroy everything but won't attack the General that speaks to motivations.
 
That might be just the game mode. If you're attacking the city, my understanding is that there are quests from the NPCs under the tents to destroy barricades/towers/turrets.

Defending crafters can repair the turrets/towers/barricades if they've been build to full. Defenders can build the patrol points to protect the towers/turrets/barricades.

I get that it can be frustrating to watch someone come in and take out the build with no recourse. Not sure I agree with instant flagging though.
 
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While the above is problematic and has become almost a kind of quasi PvE-P, the real issue is the disparity between attack and defend Invasions.

From a defend PvE standpoint, the city does not have the NPC to back up the large swarms of elite mobs that an attacking player or players has built. This in turn, allows the attacking PvE position to go unchecked as described in your PV.

There are a few options here that could be utilised to improve the experience:

1) the NPC comm devices that are currently switched off could be used as an attack mechanism. NPC could then be used to target a specific player doing this. [Comm devices would have to be locked to invasion use to prevent abuse]

2) making repairs more easy to initiate and part of the same defense mini game. I.e. you are awarded tokens for maintaining the turret /barricade or tower. [This would be risky owing to potential abuse]

3) make the defense NPC stronger and in greater numbers to maintain level of challenge for the attackers. [would be difficult to balance and the spam is already problematic for my ping from the large numbers of attacking NPC]

4) defensive structures built by SF players can only be destroyed by SF players
 
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Rhakoh said:
The question is why is someone going SF in a PvE zone? Sounds to me, that you just want an easy win for a better payout. If you are so obsessed
with PvP, why are you not doing it elsewhere? PvP is always an option, not a necessity and you have alot of options now with the new update.
Instead you are complaining about city invasions, because someone broke your little toys. From a PvE perspective i could also say, how about everyone
who is SF in a city invasion will be dropped to combatant. It is pretty wild, that you call it trolling or even denying content, when they are doining just the
opposite. It is called "PLAYING THE GAME". And if you dont like it, then leave it!
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pretty unhinged response to a very common suggestion ngl. There's a reason invasions are empty like 90% of the time. It's not about wanting easy wins (lol), its about how lame it is to build up defenses for a half an hour with your friends and watch one guy just whittle away at them all uncontested. Most people experience that once and never try it again. It's a PVE zone, huh? Why do you get flagged as SF when you attack the boss, then, big dawg? It's just a horribly implemented system that could be so cool, and so far hasn't gotten any love from any emulator developers. If they don't wanna waste time on it, that's fine, but let's get our facts straight.
 
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It has been a long time since I did city invasions but did it not use to have a "zone" that was pvp and sent a message saying you would be flagged if inside this zone? Is that not still a thing? I used to kill the little grunts a combatant and that was outside the zone for those that wanted to be not SF but still take part. Did this change?
 
Tyr said:
It has been a long time since I did city invasions but did it not use to have a "zone" that was pvp and sent a message saying you would be flagged if inside this zone? Is that not still a thing? I used to kill the little grunts a combatant and that was outside the zone for those that wanted to be not SF but still take part. Did this change?
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You only get flagged as an attacker if you shoot the General. As a defender, I don't think anything forces you SF, but I could be wrong about that. If this wasn't buggy SWG it might be fine, but people know all the spots they can stand back and cheese the defenses down, until the attackers overwhelm the general. I get the vision, but it's not very well executed in its current state.
 
Doogla said:
You only get flagged as an attacker if you shoot the General. As a defender, I don't think anything forces you SF, but I could be wrong about that. If this wasn't buggy SWG it might be fine, but people know all the spots they can stand back and cheese the defenses down, until the attackers overwhelm the general. I get the vision, but it's not very well executed in its current state.
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So it changed to what it is now? That was my question.
 
Doogla said:
Okay well you and random guy on discord are both remembering incorrectly. It has always been like this, and now this thread is about your fever dream instead of the topic so thanks for that.
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No it was like that. They should just ask for it to be changed back.
 
I would be ok with making the invasion areas pvp zones for 30 min during the invasion so you flag. I also would be ok with attacking the player built structures just like the general to where if you attack it warns you and then you attack again you are SF. Just feel like invasions could use a little love and tuning because they are a part of the GCW system.
 
fireeubi said:
I would be ok with making the invasion areas pvp zones for 30 min during the invasion so you flag. I also would be ok with attacking the player built structures just like the general to where if you attack it warns you and then you attack again you are SF. Just feel like invasions could use a little love and tuning because they are a part of the GCW system.
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I am not sure why they changed it. It used to be a certain area would flag you and it changed to the general now.
 
Tyr said:
No it was like that. They should just ask for it to be changed back.
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Buddy lol. Stop. I remember bitching about this exact issue on the SOE forums. I’ve done invasions so many times over decades on Live, Legends, and here. You literally said you haven’t done them in a long time.

Even if you were right about this (you aren’t) your point is completely irrelevant. You are derailing this topic. You did this in the BH probe droid thread too by completely missing the point of the discussion.

The topic here is: should it be changed or not. Your ramblings about how you vaguely recall it working 15 years ago clouds the discussion, especially if you’re gonna spend several replies arguing your uninformed point.
 
Doogla said:
Buddy lol. Stop. I remember bitching about this exact issue on the SOE forums. I’ve done invasions so many times over decades on Live, Legends, and here. You literally said you haven’t done them in a long time.

Even if you were right about this (you aren’t) your point is completely irrelevant. You are derailing this topic. You did this in the BH probe droid thread too by completely missing the point of the discussion.

The topic here is: should it be changed or not. Your ramblings about how you vaguely recall it working 15 years ago clouds the discussion, especially if you’re gonna spend several replies arguing your uninformed point.
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Wow have you gone completely troll. That PV I linked shows you it WAS like that even with you saying it was never like that and my point is just ask to change it back. CHANGE so I am on point and it was not 15 years ago it was on here. They shrunk the pvp zone a tad because of that PV and awhile ago it seems changed to the General. Frack man even a Dev posted in that PV so tell me how I am wrong about it being on here?
 
Tyr said:
Wow have you gone completely troll. That PV I linked shows you it WAS like that even with you saying it was never like that and my point is just ask to change it back. CHANGE so I am on point and it was not 15 years ago it was on here. They shrunk the pvp zone a tad because of that PV and awhile ago it seems changed to the General. Frack man even a Dev posted in that PV so tell me how I am wrong about it being on here?
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again, the discussion is how the invasions should be changed not about your schizo alternate reality memories of how it used to be.

What’s your point? That OP worded his post incorrectly? Cool thanks dude
 
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