Jedi and BH should be mutually exclusive

Jedi and BH should be mutually exclusive
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Wilykitt

Wilykitt

Proposal
Once you accept Padawan you are unable to accept player bounties.
Justification
Being a deliberate split Normie/Jedi build is already against the spirit of Jedi class which is its own self contained grouping of classes.

Doing so to mine/maxing player bounty hunting whilst teaming up with other bounty hunters to abuse Sever, Drain Force, Stasis etc is frustrating PvP experience for the player jedi.

Being a Force Sensitive BH would be more friendly, but being a Jedi/BH certainly is not and is immersion breaking.

Lastly this also makes balancing Jedi/BH interactions significantly harder when one side can be both sides or the coin.
Motivation
Keep the systems clean and provide more nuanced and balanced bounty hunter experience for both sides. Clear up lore breaking actions that are clearly for sweaty PvP try hards :)
Have a multi spec Bounty Hunter/Jedi is lore breaking, PvP min maxing play that isn't at home on Resto. It creates frustrating plays for the Jedi being hunted, and makes future balancing significantly harder.
 
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Perhaps the developers could make a Profession that fuses BH and Jedi skills while simultaneously satisfying your concerns.

They could call the profession INQUISITOR!

Certainly, that wouldn't break your immersion.
 
Dark jedi and all that Hunt light side jedi though in lore, a lot would not reveal they're dark jedi or have any force abilities while taking the contract.
This kinda sounds like you got done in and what it changed
 
Remnant said:
Dark jedi and all that Hunt light side jedi though in lore, a lot would not reveal they're dark jedi or have any force abilities while taking the contract.
This kinda sounds like you got done in and what it changed
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Easy and lazy to argue ad hominem :)

No I wasn't "done in" - my motivations are outlined above. I would be in massive support of an Inquisitor type role that's dark versus light jedi PvP. What I am not in support of is having teams of BHs hunting player jedi where one is Jedi with minimal BH (4000) and the others are normies just to abuse several Force powers (Sever, Stasis, Drain Force etc etc) whilst the 'real' fight is against the one or two normie allies.
 
Wilykitt said:
Easy and lazy to argue ad hominem :)

No I wasn't "done in" - my motivations are outlined above. I would be in massive support of an Inquisitor type role that's dark versus light jedi PvP. What I am not in support of is having teams of BHs hunting player jedi where one is Jedi with minimal BH (4000) and the others are normies just to abuse several Force powers (Sever, Stasis, Drain Force etc etc) whilst the 'real' fight is against the one or two normie allies.
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Umm I am guessing you might be out of the loop on what is coming. Inquisitors are in the future for here and this has been discussed about the BH piece quite a bit and I seriously doubt they will change it since last I heard they said when Knight gets here they expect this piece to drop off since Knight can drop the FS SP and use them so they will need them to fight inquisitors. Will have to wait and see.
 
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Tyr said:
Umm I am guessing you might be out of the loop on what is coming. Inquisitors are in the future for here and this has been discussed about the BH piece quite a bit and I seriously doubt they will change it since last I heard they said when Knight gets here they expect this piece to drop off since Knight can drop the FS SP and use them so they will need them to fight inquisitors. Will have to wait and see.
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No I am entirely in the loop. I know the changes are coming - in a year or more.

The Jedi being able to drop FS boxes won't change the gimmicky half builds. It's a frustrating situation when you're stuck under Stasis with Force Drain continuously draining your force and NOT breaking drain. Whilst one or two normie BHs DPS you. With points into Force Healing the half build can just kite you and not die.

It's ridiculous, not lore friendly, and sweaty behaviour that ruins the potential of Jedi Vs BH engagements. I've yet to hear a counter to this other than "Jedi changes are coming"
 
Wilykitt said:
No I am entirely in the loop. I know the changes are coming - in a year or more.

The Jedi being able to drop FS boxes won't change the gimmicky half builds. It's a frustrating situation when you're stuck under Stasis with Force Drain continuously draining your force and NOT breaking drain. Whilst one or two normie BHs DPS you. With points into Force Healing the half build can just kite you and not die.

It's ridiculous, not lore friendly, and sweaty behaviour that ruins the potential of Jedi Vs BH engagements. I've yet to hear a counter to this other than "Jedi changes are coming"
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Well good luck. This discussion happened before when the 4xxx piece came about about and a few people went the route that seems to frustrate you.
 
Tyr said:
Well good luck. This discussion happened before when the 4xxx piece came about about and a few people went the route that seems to frustrate you.
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Yep, but that was about the ability to hunt players without the masterbox and it was stifled because of the game wanting to encourage build diversity. I'm in favour of build diversity, keep PvP under 4xxx. But you shouldn't be able to be a Jedi AND a BH.

It is not an even fight or fun. Not by a long, long margin.
 
Agree they should be kept separate. Feels like muddying the waters and opens up opportunities to do so things against the spirit of the intended game. Just introduce Inquisitors to keep things clean in my opinion
 
Have my upvote for this but not for the "urgh i died to this" (even though i did :D) as a reason, as ill happily fight anything. Having fought this twice in 2 days (Hey Cor'tia - Chas), Yes its silly and its the complete breaker to jedi tef'd pvp. It cant solo but its a huge force multiplier to any DPS and makes it instantly a heavily one sided engagement.

If the jedi being jumped can take out the DPS (which when they are ranger and vanish is impossible), then its back to a stalemate and a waste of an hour or so unless you just die. You cant run as the Jedi BH has FR3 too, so theres no speed differential to break contact (even if you were MEnh). So its self fullfilling once youre in the loop.

You shouldnt have a Hunter and Hunted class mix imo, if the devs want to add inquistior in 18 months when they get round to it/decide what theyre doing with FRS, then that can be balanced with the penalties/other changes that would be part of it.

Just waiting for the vocal PvP BH minority to shout now :)
 
I was thinking that it would be kinda be fun to make an Inquisitor type jedi/bounty hunter if the game lets you, but it sounds like they just use guns with force powers? thats kinda lame
 
I don’t think we should artificially limit builds in a sandbox game. With this many possibilities people will always be able to do things that others think is cheap. I don’t know what the success rate of BHs hunting Jedi is (probably very low) so if a few people found a way to win then good for them.

Right now it seems to be a very small group doing it and that shouldn’t limit the way other people can play.
 
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