Open Artisan Allow foods, drinks, spice, and stims from the same manufacturing run to be stackable up to 1,000

reidski182 · Jul 25, 2023

Please see proposal/justification/motivation

PhilmorALF · Jul 25, 2023

Just clarifying - This is not anything to do with factory crates - you're saying you want (for example) a run of Exo protein wafers with a quantity of 8...you want to be able to take 2 stacks out of a factory crate and drag them together to make a stack of 16 (all the way up to 1000)? Is that correct?

reidski182 · Jul 25, 2023

Yes that is correct, I think the crates are fine, I mean the consumables themselves

reidski182 · Jul 25, 2023

I would like to add grenades to this list as well, but that would help/affect far less people, and should be last in priority

Kazhar · Jul 25, 2023

actually grenades would be way more convenient because slicing them would not be a PITA

elvismonkey · Jul 25, 2023

Stackable blue boosters gets my vote.

PhilmorALF · Jul 25, 2023

Since I have to think about these things - in some cases - mainly with food - I don't know if I like this proposal.

I think this would minimize the importance of experimenting on quantity or having any sort of resource quality that affects quantity and those points would lean towards other things (duration/strength) - in favor of people who have more credits as they can afford to buy more to make up for the lack of quantity per stack and just make their own super stacks.

unfair2u · Jul 25, 2023

PhilmorALF said:
Since I have to think about these things - in some cases - mainly with food - I don't know if I like this proposal.

I think this would minimize the importance of experimenting on quantity or having any sort of resource quality that affects quantity and those points would lean towards other things (duration/strength) - in favor of people who have more credits as they can afford to buy more to make up for the lack of quantity per stack and just make their own super stacks.

tbh I'd be willing to bet that most if not all food is already made for strength or duration first. I'd also bet that quantity is very likely the least used tissue and experiment line for food if it is even used at all

reidski182 · Jul 25, 2023

PhilmorALF said:
Since I have to think about these things - in some cases - mainly with food - I don't know if I like this proposal.

I think this would minimize the importance of experimenting on quantity or having any sort of resource quality that affects quantity and those points would lean towards other things (duration/strength) - in favor of people who have more credits as they can afford to buy more to make up for the lack of quantity per stack and just make their own super stacks.

I disagree, experimenting on quantity still allows you to save credits at the cost of some effectiveness. Fill is the main gate behind spamming food. If anything, what you're describing applies more to stims/nades/booster

unfair2u · Jul 25, 2023

reidski182 said:
I disagree, experimenting on quantity still allows you to save credits at the cost of some effectiveness. Fill is the main gate behind spamming food. If anything, what you're describing applies more to stims/nades/booster

stims maybe, enhancers hit pretty big use counts anyway, spice is legit all the same and grenade quantity is something that cant be altered. Just saves you from needing to uncrate tons of the same thing pre-emptively cuz you cant remove from crates in combat

elvismonkey · Jul 25, 2023

unfair2u said:
tbh I'd be willing to bet that most if not all food is already made for strength or duration first. I'd also bet that quantity is very likely the least used tissue and experiment line for food if it is even used at all

100% this. Effectiveness then duration.

Quanity for very few and not sure fill is changed for any really.

philosophy · Jul 25, 2023

Yeah, I think the number of foods that I don't experiment effectiveness first can be counted on one hand (Starshine, Kommerken, Ranged Crispic, Ruby Bilel). It also doesn't help that Fill is relatively inelastic to experimenting it seems, at least for the quality resource i have available.

Maybe instead of stacking to create the super charges item, just a new option on the crate to extract and merge instead. Though not sure how techncially challenging either approach would be.

I'm neutral on this one, but maybe I've just accepted my own inventory nightmare.

PaladinTelreyne · Jul 25, 2023

I see no reason why you cant stack food items or grenades with the same serial number

PhilmorALF · Jul 25, 2023

PaladinTelreyne said:
I see no reason why you cant stack food items or grenades with the same serial number

I can't speak to food. It seems my initial issue probably isn't much of an issue after some of the feedback. I'm not a dev so I don't know how much of a pain this would be to figure out from a technical side of things - especially because it sounds like the gripe is having to manage inventory. Grenades would be different though, because you have to take into account how sliced and PuP'd grenades would work - as I'm sure the intent would not be to stack 1000 grenades and slice it once.

I'm assuming the main driver of this is so people don't run out of Exo, Ruby, Stims, and booster blue mid fight - and a way to get around inventory constraints.

unfair2u · Jul 26, 2023

PhilmorALF said:
I can't speak to food. It seems my initial issue probably isn't much of an issue after some of the feedback. I'm not a dev so I don't know how much of a pain this would be to figure out from a technical side of things - especially because it sounds like the gripe is having to manage inventory. Grenades would be different though, because you have to take into account how sliced and PuP'd grenades would work - as I'm sure the intent would not be to stack 1000 grenades and slice it once.

I'm assuming the main driver of this is so people don't run out of Exo, Ruby, Stims, and booster blue mid fight - and a way to get around inventory constraints.

yeah it gets weird with slicing true but tbh not having to slice every 10 grenades you use would be a nice QoL thing just have to restrict adding to that stack after use and grenade pups already have 500 uses anyway
side note: I suppose another solution for grenades is that they could always add grenade bundle schematics for WS that basically require 10x the components and resources and kick out a 100 use grenade

Reevesy202 · Jul 26, 2023

If it's from the same factory crate I don't see why people would be opposed to being able to stack them. Fill is going to be the biggest issue anyway. On top of grenades why not do this for stims too? Literally anything out of a factory crate.

reidski182 · Aug 13, 2023

Last/only bump

RGViza · Aug 30, 2023

The worst is when you accidentally get 4 of the same food out when lagging. Being able to stack the result would be heaven-sent.

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