Open GCW PvP Destroying Base Defences Outside of Base Vulnerability should instead Disable them temporarily

Banth · Jul 28, 2023

Proposal to change turrets from being destroyed to being disabled, when "destroyed" outside of base vulnerability.

shintufelper · Jul 28, 2023

This concept also has really good potential for an avenue to involve artisans in gcw player bases, whether through a crafted repair kit or something even more involved like an artisan only repair terminal in the base.

Pansuri · Jul 28, 2023

Or honestly if they aren't wanting to make a "drastic" change turrets getting attacked/destroyed should ping a base being attacked alert - because it's technically being attacked. Especially with so many ways to "cheese" destroying turrets present.

Banth · Jul 28, 2023

Any constructive input from the barrage downvoters just there?

elchapodan · Jul 28, 2023

I think this is a great compromise between those without jobs and those with jobs.

Versatti · Jul 28, 2023

Seems reasonable to me.

abraxas · Jul 28, 2023

I bet you wouldn't post this if you were winning the war.

Pansuri · Jul 28, 2023

abraxas said:
I bet you wouldn't post this if you were winning the war.

This is a QoL change that is positive for both sides. Your remark is both unnecessary and not productive to the discussion.

abraxas · Jul 28, 2023

"We simply cannot be expected to defend the defences at all hours of playing, when there is literally a time slot that you should be able to defend your base within. This is causing burnout and is simply not sustainable."

Pansuri said:
This is a QoL change that is positive for both sides. Your remark is both unnecessary and not productive to the discussion.

We have no problem defending turrets. We also have no problem destroying them (which is the root of this proposal).

What would the point of disabling turrets be if this change were to go through? Maybe add an hour to the vulnerability time for every turret disabled?

elchapodan · Jul 28, 2023

abraxas said:
"We simply cannot be expected to defend the defences at all hours of playing, when there is literally a time slot that you should be able to defend your base within. This is causing burnout and is simply not sustainable."

We have no problem defending turrets. We also have no problem destroying them (which is the root of this proposal).

What would the point of disabling turrets be if this change were to go through? Maybe add an hour to the vulnerability time for every turret disabled?

"I bet you wouldn't post this if you were [losing] the war" - you

Your not having a problem destroying them is because you've been bugging them out with droids. Period. Plenty of screenshots to prove it.

This can easily expand into shintu's idea. Be constructive or don't bother posting.

PhilmorALF · Jul 28, 2023

Let's not bombard Banth's PV with the no value added back and forth.

I will say from my perspective - I absolutely think there should be some sort of notification if the base or any of its associated structures are attacked by the opposing faction. The second part of this PV definitely needs some thought.

This is a single server with varying time zones involved and there is a lot to take into consideration with regards to vulnerability times.

As is - I think the fact that turrets can be blown up is completely valid - the defending faction just needs to be informed of an attack. If there is desire to change that any further - this needs to be a much bigger discussion.

RoHRemis · Jul 29, 2023

Economic warfare is valid.

abraxas · Jul 29, 2023

elchapodan said:
"I bet you wouldn't post this if you were [losing] the war" - you

Your not having a problem destroying them is because you've been bugging them out with droids. Period. Plenty of screenshots to prove it.

This can easily expand into shintu's idea. Be constructive or don't bother posting.

We don't need droids to kill the turrets. It's not that hard to begin with.

abraxas · Jul 29, 2023

PhilmorALF said:
Let's not bombard Banth's PV with the no value added back and forth.

I will say from my perspective - I absolutely think there should be some sort of notification if the base or any of its associated structures are attacked by the opposing faction. The second part of this PV definitely needs some thought.

This is a single server with varying time zones involved and there is a lot to take into consideration with regards to vulnerability times.

As is - I think the fact that turrets can be blown up is completely valid - the defending faction just needs to be informed of an attack. If there is desire to change that any further - this needs to be a much bigger discussion.

Isn't that what the War Intel pad is for?

Kazhar · Jul 29, 2023

Rebels have been using droids as well as they used to destroy them as combatant so let's not start that topic again. Turrets and mines are both owerpowered right now so if you wanted to change that you would have to nerf both of these defenses quite a lot so a single person or two can't defend a base against a party of 5 as an example. Not to mention the bug that makes turrets hit 3, 4 or even 5 times in a row with the same shot. However my biggest issue with the bases are not turrets it's more the vulnerability window timers, because for me at least there is no fun in setting a base vulnerability timer to 4-8am so my base is safe and uncontested forever without effort while i grind my pve gcw points and keep my shiny general title.

CNiper · Jul 29, 2023

I just want to flag that have the bugs with turrets on our radar and are investigating. Please keep discussion centered around this PV and avoid personal attacks. We all want to make the game better.

Banth · Jul 29, 2023

RoHRemis said:
Economic warfare is valid.

I completely agree with this, and turrets still should be destroyable - the credit sink won't go away with my suggestion. The PV aims to add some control to when the destruction occurs (the vulnerable time) but still giving an advantage to the attacking team if they disable the turrets outside of vulnerability.

Maybe I wasn't generous enough with this advantage - maybe they can be weakened or something as well within a small window at the start of the vulnerability.

Base maintenance is essentially (up to) 900k every two days currently which is just silly, yet destroying a base isn't rewarding enough either.

abraxas said:
We also have no problem destroying them (which is the root of this proposal).

My motivation for this proposal isn't self fulfilling, it serves to help both sides not suffer burnout. Obviously this proposal comes from personal experience (as do most Player Voices) and you're right, this idea wouldn't have stemmed from this not occurring and from other players (not just rebels) coming to me with the same concerns. Its rather demoralizing waking up to my base defences gone while I'm asleep lol.

PhilmorALF said:
Let's not bombard Banth's PV with the no value added back and forth.

I will say from my perspective - I absolutely think there should be some sort of notification if the base or any of its associated structures are attacked by the opposing faction. The second part of this PV definitely needs some thought.

This is a single server with varying time zones involved and there is a lot to take into consideration with regards to vulnerability times.

As is - I think the fact that turrets can be blown up is completely valid - the defending faction just needs to be informed of an attack. If there is desire to change that any further - this needs to be a much bigger discussion.

Thanks Phil. I think a base attack notification is a great starting point to this and is probably a sensible stepping stone to alieviate the problem.

It would be great if the turrets could be repaired as well (not during an attack / during vulnerability perhaps) to give artisans a bigger role in the GCW.

Kazhar said:
However my biggest issue with the bases are not turrets it's more the vulnerability window timers, because for me at least there is no fun in setting a base vulnerability timer to 4-8am so my base is safe and uncontested forever without effort while i grind my pve gcw points and keep my shiny general title.

I think a good solution to this is to have rigid vulnerability windows and then limit the number of bases that can share a vulnerability window on a planet. I agree having 4 bases with a vulnerability window at 4am EST / 8am GMT on the same planet is against the spirit of the GCW (unless the person placing them lives in Australlia/Asia lol, in that case its fair enough).

shintufelper · Jul 29, 2023

The main issue with attack notifications for turrets outside vulnerability, is essentially spam/trolling.

If you get a notification when your turrets take at least 5% damage with a 30min cd(for example). Someone could just swing by, ding your turret and leave. Then return later and do it again, essentially ding dong ditching or filling your mailbox with tons of notifications.

Nelstar15 · Jul 29, 2023

Banth said:
Proposal to change turrets from being destroyed to being disabled, when "destroyed" outside of base vulnerability.

Hi, these are the thoughts and ramblings of a new Restoration player, but someone who had time in the game back in the day.
1. IMO - Turrets being vulnerable outside of normal base vulnerability makes sense. They're not an actual piece of the base, and hold no bearing on if we flip or not. So, making them invuln or temp disabled is a lazy fix for a PvP dominated game.
1a. If the primary solution is a notice when turrets are under attack, that works for all parties. In fact, that's ideal, as it instigates more PvP.
2. Completely disabling the ability to destroy turrets, especially when EVERY Rebel base is set to vuln during the work day for NA, means NA players are left with no PvP. Truly, none whatsoever. Eliminating a key piece of fun because Rebels are sad only initiates the possibility of a dwindling population.
3. If you truly want to make Banth's suggestion a reality, then there needs to be rules on when bases can be vuln - as not having anything to do during prime NA hours is cause for major concern on player trunover.
Ultimately, I'm sorry - but this suggestion is silly. It's from someone who's mad that their base was hit and turrets lost. Removing this ability has me concerned for my time on SWGR, as again, there are no other PvP opps during NA PrimeTime.

Nelstar15 · Jul 29, 2023

Banth said:
My motivation for this proposal isn't self fulfilling, it serves to help both sides not suffer burnout. Obviously this proposal comes from personal experience (as do most Player Voices) and you're right, this idea wouldn't have stemmed from this not occurring and from other players (not just rebels) coming to me with the same concerns. Its rather demoralizing waking up to my base defences gone while I'm asleep lol.

This point is deceptive, as you posted your PV suggestion merely hours after YOUR base was hit.

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