Open PvP Introduction to PVP

I feel foods along with stats etc should be explained as part of the New Player Tutorial. If people knew what the stats meant, the stances and foods/spices surely it benefits all type of gameplay. Isn't PvE an introduction to PvP?

There’s a pretty robust wiki page that explains gearing up for PvP and all the consumables. https://swgr.org/wiki/gearing_guide/

The issue with any tutorial in this regard is you have to have the knowledge and items before entering, like pvp itself. Currently, after reading the wiki and getting all setup, it’s quite easy to do your own tutorial by practicing in pve(even if it’s overkill) to understand fill and consumable flow.

shintufelper said:

There’s a pretty robust wiki page that explains gearing up for PvP and all the consumables. https://swgr.org/wiki/gearing_guide/

The issue with any tutorial in this regard is you have to have the knowledge and items before entering, like pvp itself. Currently, after reading the wiki and getting all setup, it’s quite easy to do your own tutorial by practicing in pve(even if it’s overkill) to understand fill and consumable flow.

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I wouldn't say it's overkill to practise in PvE, especially if you are a BH doing extremely dangerous bounties and also getting into Champion of Mustafar really gets you needing to know what foods etc you have to have and why.

I get that PvP is quite hard to get to and is daunting when starting out, but as Shintu said there is a pretty comprehensive guide on how to gear up for it and what consumables to use & what they do.

I got into PvP less than a year ago (I've played since launch, with 1 long break) just by jumping in and seeing what happened, and observing what other players do when I fight them. I checked the combat logs and learned to get better by making recordings of my gameplay to see where I went wrong or to see what other people did. You will die a good bit, you'll lose 1v1 fights - but you get better. You eventually start noticing things and getting the "ah-ha" moments realising why you died & what you can do to prevent it. You start learning what works and what doesn't.

Its better than ever to get into PvP now because of Moof Mud protecting your precious gear. You don't *have* to be fully geared to get stuck in either (especially if you're a melee due to defensives).

Maybe there needs to be quests that award food/drink (like during legacy or otherwise) to get new players used to the fill & drink mechanic which will be a great start, as it currently is NGEified. I feel this might be good in the new player tutorial either...

Giving privates immunity to higher ranks probably would be a bad idea. Could see it leading to confusion and frustration about who is actually attackable by who in group fights.

I know there that is an actual tutorial has been in the works from what devs have said on discord.
It definitely needs to give players a few free supplies to have them try themselves that are critical to understanding survivability in this game, those being...
Spice
Wafers
Stims
Ruby Bliel
Tutorial could then briefly explain the fill mechanic and that there are other food buffs with longer durations that give stat bonuses.
Also give the player a free nooby tape for them to put on a piece of gear, and briefly explain the stats.

/duel is practice mode for PvP... if the server PvPers want to encourage more players to join the fight, perhaps one or more of them could start up a club ...for ya know, fighting. I'd contend that a person with potential interest in getting involved would probably be happier and more likely to keep flagging if they got to bond a bit with the folks that they'll be fighting aside and against. OOC grudges and bad first experiences are the real killers of the PvP scene.

As a player new to this server who wants to have a better understanding of PvP just finding that post is useful. But...
I only found it be cause I was reading Player Voice posts. Not exactly a great solution.
Having some kind of simple in game optional PvP non-repeatable introduction quest line would probably work just fine. Have it reward some of the most used pvp buff items while explaining the purpose could work. Also having sections that explain important stats for each class specific for PvP on this server.
Another option is to get some guide videos made up featuring information from experienced PvP players detailing with mechanics from a more general SWG perspective to a Restoration specific perspective.

DarthLovecraft said:

/duel is practice mode for PvP... if the server PvPers want to encourage more players to join the fight, perhaps one or more of them could start up a club ...for ya know, fighting. I'd contend that a person with potential interest in getting involved would probably be happier and more likely to keep flagging if they got to bond a bit with the folks that they'll be fighting aside and against. OOC grudges and bad first experiences are the real killers of the PvP scene.

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Really this.

There is already a "fight club" of sorts but the problem with it is that it follows what people think of "fight clubs". Exclusive, hard to get accepted into, and a need to know the right people. Many won't even start down the road if that's what it feels like.

Therefore, it needs to be public, inviting, and above all patient to pull the new player up, not a series of quick deaths to "teach the hard way". This doesn't have to be a school of hard knocks, y'all... it really doesn't....

EthavanCrowe said:

Really this.

There is already a "fight club" of sorts but the problem with it is that it follows what people think of "fight clubs". Exclusive, hard to get accepted into, and a need to know the right people. Many won't even start down the road if that's what it feels like.

Therefore, it needs to be public, inviting, and above all patient to pull the new player up, not a series of quick deaths to "teach the hard way". This doesn't have to be a school of hard knocks, y'all... it really doesn't....

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I definitely do not agree about the fight club sentiment. The PVP community is always willing to help and teach those that express interest. At least in my experience that is.

RoHRemis said:

I definitely do not agree about the fight club sentiment. The PVP community is always willing to help and teach those that express interest. At least in my experience that is.

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Willingness does not define success. If all the other parts that I mentioned were present, and the people's consensus were that's the place to go (whereas it's not even mentioned in general chat) we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I think that those that run it should be more introspective than defensive. Or others should set it up and show how it should be done, "willingness" notwithstanding. It's about the patient, empathetic method that teachers MUST possess, not just willingness.

But I digress.

Honestly 1.1 combat changes made the learning curve much easier for people wanting to step into pvp for the first time, it has never been easier to simply get some basic and affordable gear and jump into the action. There are plenty of people on both factions that will help you and teach you all the pvp basics you simply have to reach out to them, and there is also a lot of material about pvp in some community partner channels. Using a "pve" tutorial with npcs to teach you the basics about pvp is awkward because the magic of pvp is precisely that its hard to ancitipate to your enemy's actions unlike pve where you know exactly the mechanics in place and what is going next. However i agree that foods/drinks and consumables in general should be part of the new player tutorial as that will be crucial for them to understand the basic game mechanics not only for pvp.

CaptainShack said:

As a player new to this server who wants to have a better understanding of PvP just finding that post is useful. But...
I only found it be cause I was reading Player Voice posts. Not exactly a great solution.
Having some kind of simple in game optional PvP non-repeatable introduction quest line would probably work just fine. Have it reward some of the most used pvp buff items while explaining the purpose could work. Also having sections that explain important stats for each class specific for PvP on this server.
Another option is to get some guide videos made up featuring information from experienced PvP players detailing with mechanics from a more general SWG perspective to a Restoration specific perspective.

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Check out Telreyne on youtube

PaladinTelreyne said:

Check out Telreyne on youtube

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Ill eventually get around to making a non-boring alternative as well