Jedi Involvement in PVP - Battlefields - Ghosting?

Jedi Involvement in PVP - Battlefields - Ghosting?
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Proposal
If Jedi currently ghost when dying in BF, can we make it so they dont?
Justification
I preface this with saying I am under the impression BF, in the past, has been a gateway for a lot of folks into PVP on a bigger scale.
- If people choose to not run with jedi bc of uneven comps, then nothing changes for them.
- If people have jedi and want to run bf they can, without worrying about ghosting.
- If 'No Vis' is a caveat; Jedi would still gain vis, if enemy players report them, and maybe there's an incorporated rate of Vis gained from battlefields per round, or per the individuals damage/healing/etc
- This would open up the potential to make a jedi vs jedi BF also, maybe even make a map with that in mind
- I do not believe this would take from the (low) activity at Jensaarai, but help and support it - as well as the established pvp community
- 2 Saber Crystals are locked behind BF
- Some players don't have a second invested Combat toon to PVP
- Non Jedi have more practice at fighting Jedi (sometimes limited)
- FS Ranged classes; there are a number of very viable unique builds that can't partake as they would go blue

I also think this could open up a lot of potential for new content, and work symbiotically with a lot of new/existing things already in place!
Motivation
In aims of getting more Jedi involvement in PVP, and overall more involvement in Battlefields/PVP
If Jedi currently ghost when dying in BF, can we make it so they dont?
 
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I really like the idea here. This would allow people to do what I feel bfs are really good for. Practice in a group pvp environment. Another idea instead of a temple fight, it's a Jensaari training room/program? Just a spit ball thought.

While a lot of people may not like to do full on pvp, this allows an option to let people dip a toe in without denying themselves content for 18 hrs. Maybe a set amount of vis each run? Doesn't have to be known how much is given either. But the ability to look at different group comps in a more controlled environment would be amazing.
 
I am going to downvote. I love to pvp on my jedi, and I've thought going to BF would be fun. But after playing BF now for a bit I dont think its a good idea. Currently when we get even numbers it is still hard to balance with classes, skill level, and healing. Adding jedi to the mix would throw that all out of the window.
 
Train2837 said:
I am going to downvote. I love to pvp on my jedi, and I've thought going to BF would be fun. But after playing BF now for a bit I dont think its a good idea. Currently when we get even numbers it is still hard to balance with classes, skill level, and healing. Adding jedi to the mix would throw that all out of the window.
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thats a fair point, however:
- If people choose to not run with jedi bc of uneven comps, then nothing changes for them.
- FS Ranged classes; there are a number of very viable unique builds that can't partake as they would go blue

further;
- 2 Saber Crystals are locked behind BF
- Some players don't have a second invested Combat toon to PVP
- Non Jedi have more practice at fighting Jedi (sometimes limited)

and lastly;
- I see this as a potential to remedy that exact issue you expressed - with even numbers, if you were the only jedi, or there werent enough to make a difference/viable-comp
- If people are more casual, they are already not worried about the same comps other veterans/hardcore-pvp'rs may be, and can begin to 'get their feet wet' in their own groups if need be
- More people partaking in Battlefields/PVP the better; may even encourage some to make that second combat toon specific for pvp
 
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A BH that has your bounty that death blows you should consume all your lives and ghost you.

Dying in any other way should just take one of your lives.

That would allow Jedi to participate in GCW and BF to a limited degree.
 
It has nothing to do with protecting jedi, but PVP/BF, and if anything this would HELP see more JEDI blue ghosted, being more out and about with more practice and pvp experience, feeling more 'confident,' as well as more VIS from the instance (BFs - if incorporating an additional Vis element).

As it stands now:
- If you die in space - you lose no lives
- In jensaarai you dont ghost or lose lives, same with the ranch

Also, lets not forget Battlefields is an instance:
- Those who are familiar with it know, 3-4 lives even for a jedi, will barely get you one round
- There isnt Bounty hunting in BF, and adding a VIS penalty to it would be great as a caveat
- There has been a forever struggle for getting BFs going, without a doubt even if just for fun, most folks would rather play w a jedi, then not at all, and again this would promote those single combat toon jedi to be more combat involved and maybe make a purely combat non-jedi toon for pvp.

Intention:
- This will have people who dont, or havent pvp'd, begin to pvp, they will get vis they otherwise might not have and end up on the boards, also it will spur people to pvp more, maybe make another combat toon, and then you wouldnt have people forcing themselves to do BF for a month then never again (for a crystal), as it would be by choice, not by force. At this point, most people just buy those crystals because they cant get into BFs to farm them, BEFORE ever trying BFs once.

If something like this was in place, more people would get into BFs -> More people will PVP.
There are also a number of ranged FS toons who use a gun but cant BF or theyll ghost, and otherwise would do BFs
 
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If they are in instances then I am fine with your suggestion because one of the main goals is to not SEE Jedi everywhere so that solves that issue. Hard no if it was for GCW but you did not suggest that so I am a surprising yes.
 
Hard yes. I always want to get practice on my jedi for PVP but cant do it during GCW because "its frowned upon" so i dont participate and use the character i love the most. and want BF rewards but dont want to ghost. And I know someone will reply with "use a different combat toon then". My response to that being I want to use the character I want to play.
 
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Hard yes. I always want to get practice on my jedi for PVP but cant do it during GCW because "its frowned upon" so i dont participate and use the character i love the most. and want BF rewards but dont want to ghost. And I know someone will reply with "use a different combat toon then". My response to that being I want to use the character I want to play.
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Good for you wanting to practice PvP on Jedi. Be yourself and do what you want and how you want to play. There is always this vocal PvP minority who think their way is right and most of the time they are not right.

Back when Jedi first released, those same people who "frown upon" Jedi in GCW were playing Jedi in PvP, trust me. In fact, as one of the Imperials leading against the OP and 100% Rebel PvP Jedi, I have more of a case to "frown upon" Jedi in GCW than anyone . But I don't. I encourage it, as you said, its your favourite character and you worked to achieve it. Play away and learn fast and if you get ghosted, wow big deal. A big issue is some PvP people don't have fun with the class in its current state, can't handle the fact that their ego doesn't like being ghosted in PvP, or they are not that good at playing Jedi, or they play the META 1v1 Jedi spec and can't do shit in large scale, etc. But they then become a vocal minority in bringing down others who do wish to play like that and do have fun. Ignore them. Jedi does have balance issues like any MMO class work is ongoing. Play how you want to play and have fun.

In terms of the battlefields there should definitely be a way to queue and play a battlefield as a Jedi without ghosting, it would make the game more fun. This doesn't have to be "no ghost on death", other idea could include a separate battlefield mode similar to perhaps CS:GO Rounds where when you get incapped you get "captured" or similar, then round ends when one team has all players captured with 1-0 score to the other team.

Either that, or play good, reset fights and play safe even in a battlefield I am sure you could have ways for it be hard to kill you, though your team might be fighting outnumbered for a bit. But Jedi has plenty of tools, all there for you to use. Then earn your tokens and become a better player in PvP too, on the char you want. Whether the vocal minority won't cry at seeing a Jedi in battlefields, is another matter. To me a real PvPer wouldn't mind ;)
 
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It's an interesting concept for sure. I love the idea of a VIP BF with a Jedi on each team that need to be protected, just to encourage more PVP on jedi away from GCW and the open world. Obviously that isn't being discussed here but it is a step toward that.

I wonder if the coding side of the request would be an issue? That would be my worry. If there is not, i will happily sponsor this for its potential applications. But just keep in mind this may not be possible in the development part of the process. For now, I will sponsor, pending one of the Devs saying this cant be done <3 i like the thinking though!
 
I'd like to suggest maybe something where its specific BFs only. Possibly on rotation like space battles rotate between PvE and PvP battles. That way any fear people have of BFs just turning into jedi-fests can still have the normal one.
 
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