Open Outdoors Improved CH - Creature Diversity

Nice concept, but it would take far too much work to add these new creature models and then apply relevant group bonuses. And to have this to apply across all creature types per creature group is a lot of work.
Plus, taming is kills the BE profession, so the less taming available the better.

I'm going to downvote this. This sounds something more related to BE than CH. Perhaps a CH can take an egg to a BE who could edit it into one of the sub-species.

"Bull Ronto" isnt the best example, since a bull ronto is just the male of the species, but I get your point and I support your idea. Other people suggesting that they shouldnt do it because it would "take too long" is just lame.

CrimsonMerc said:

I feel like people aren't understanding my proposal- in the CU and in pre-CU as a CH you could tame different varieties of creatures. For example, you couldn't just tame a Dewback, you could also tame a Cannibal Dewback, a Lesser Dewback, and a Mountain Dewback- all of these Dewbacks had different colors and slightly different stats. Same for Bantha: you could tame a Bull Bantha, Dune Bantha, Feral Bantha, etc. The reason you cannot do this on Restoration III is partly because it is using NGE's Beast Master System but also because even in CU and even in pre-CU, BEs couldn't create these different varieties- they always had to use the base creature e.g. Dewback, Bantha, Rill, etc.

My proposal is to tweak the current system and let CHs tame whatever they want (within reason- obviously no Krayt Dragons etc). I use the example of a Dewback because there are many different varieties of Dewback. If implemented, as a CH I can tame a Dewback, a Cannibal Dewback, a Grizzled Dewback, a Lesser Dewback, a Swarming Lesser Dewback, a Mountain Dewback and a boss mob Dewback (I think its a Sandreaver). As a CH, if I tame any of these varieties, I will get that prospective baby instead of a generic Dewback egg. All of these species will have slightly different stats and the ability to receive a creature egg will be completely removed from CHs (it will only be a BE thing).

Lastly, how will this creatures differ? Well lets use the Dewbacks again for this example. A regular Dewback can have well-rounded stats, but a Cannibal Dewback can have a higher attack. A Mountain Dewback can have higher defense, while a Grizzled Dewback can have slightly both slightly higher attack and slightly higher defense but if you tame a Sandreaver (baby version of a Dewback boss mob), it will have enhanced stats all around.

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No, I think we understand just fine really, it's the BE profession that causes the issue for you.
Imagine if BHs could make their own seekers, or if a rifleman could make his own weapons.
Where does BE fit into this? Would they make the best creatures? If so, who would use a tamed one?

I think the sub-species is perfect for BEs as a niche. Allow CH to tame base models only and let BE modify their eggs to become sub-spices. Otherwise - one of the professions needs to change as they are in conflict with each other.

I think taming creatures needs to be removed from CH it would be a benefit for BE to be able to make more than just 60 point pets to sell

BEs were never meant to make low-level and mid-level pets- they were always intended to make powerful high-level pets.

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Quoted for emphasis. If you want only BEs to create pets, head on over to Legends. A simple mount will cost you upwards of 200k. A 3 point pet (yes, I said three points) will run you 2 million plus. The status pets, rancor, kimo, etc? 45 million and up. New to the server? Forget being a creature handler, might as well train as something else until you can grind those credits. But hey, anyone can start as a jedi and are given their starter equipment for free, so that should fix it.

I agree with this suggestion. Once upon a time, a dune bantha baby came with different stats and attacks than a bantha, zucca boars were different from desert razorbacks and dragonets didn't become standard lizards. It would be nice to go back to that. Let CHs handle the starter level pets and mounts without the egg mechanic, and while we're at it, give them back the ability to train "vanity" pets with no fighting skill but buff abilities like the truffle pig and resource gathering boosts. If BEs need another way to make money, give tailors back the ability to attach genetic tissues to clothing. Personally, my scout would pay a pretty penny for clothing that could up my mask scent skill.

I like this idea it sounds great.

I'm also in favor of making all babies tamable again. Your not going to get something better than what a BE can make and you can make the babies a low spawn rate and a low chance for the tame. Make them not even spawn from missions. It took me a month just to find a baby bull rancor on live. This should be something that is possible instead of the too difficult to tame message. Just totally lame.

Even at a 1 in 1000 chance for a baby rancor with a 1 in 100 chance to tame it I would take that over just nothing.

Please reconsider this you can make them extremely rare but at least still exist!

I would also like to see vanity pets to be back. I played in the old swg and there were people that enjoyed having a pet without having to put precious skill points into CH. Maybe BEs can craft them and CHs can train them. It will give both another source of revenue. Right now CH can't make any credits until they're a master. And don't get me started on the cost of BE supplies.

As with BEs, making high end CH pets. That's a no brainer. Crafted items should always be better than looted/tamed items. That's one of the game mechanics thats at the heart of swg and something that has always made it stand apart from other MMOs.

Edited: Sorry, I've read the others posts and realuzed I'd reiterated some of the points already mentioned. It's been a long night. But that should show that those points are important and wanted.

I too find the egg and current taming system very lack lustre. I don’t necessarily agree with the OPs suggestion of subspecies due to the RNG already involved in taming.
My suggestion to make taming a more enjoyable and worthwhile experience without ruining the BE market would be to cap tamed pets at 48 randomly allocated points. So a BE can always make a pet better than a CH can tame.
I would also like to suggest that there be 3 categories of pets:
Category 1 - ‘basic’ pets that can be tamed by a MCH or made from DNA by a BE (apply 48pt cap to tamed pets, also exclude looted DNA such as reek)
Category 2 - ‘mutations’ this would include all creatures that do not appear elsewhere in the game (vorpal durni, cracktooth narglatch etc) and for these to be crafted by a BE using the current mutation system
Category 3 - ‘rare’ this would include creatures who are currently a mutation but appear elsewhere in the game (rancor,tanray etc) and for these to be tamed by a CH with an incredibly high creature taming skill through food, SEAs etc. so there is a significant investment on the CHs part. Also make the babies rare and hard to tame in line with mutation chances for BE. Do not cap this category as they would only be obtainable by a CH.

I believe a system such as above would allow CH and BE to enjoy their professions without having to overly compete with one another. If you want a rancor, you will have to hire a MCH with all the appropriate buffs to go out and not only find one, they then have to tame it, and even then it’s not guaranteed to be a 60 pt pet. Which I believe would be a similar amount of work and investment in time as a BE having to do repeated runs of failed mutation chances.

This could also benefit rangers through application of camo to increase taming chance, and if the tracking feature was used as it was in pre cu/cu to actual locate these rare babies.