Jedi Visibility

Jedi Visibility
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Proposal
I understand that once a Jedi gets on the Bounty Hunter (BH) boards, they are always on the boards until a BH kills them, no matter how high or low their visibility. Everything else fluctuates depending upon the visibility level, i.e. attacks by NPC, ability to use public transportation, the bank, vendors, etc. As a Jedi reduces their visibility, it should also affect the BH in some way. I have never played BH so I don't know much about how they could be impacted. Some suggestions would be making it harder for the BH to find the Jedi by having the droid that is launched malfunction or give false information. I believe at some point the name of the Jedi is revealed. Don't reveal the name if visibility is low. Have the Jedi's listing on the Boards become random, or reduce the bounty. BH are given the ability to pull a Jedi from their home when visibility is high, give the Jedi the ability to instantly escape when their visibility is low.
Justification
One of the goals of SWGR is to keep the game somewhat realistic. Common sense seems to say that as a Jedi's visibility goes down it would be harder to find that Jedi. This would also put a little bit of a challenge in the game for BH and to a very small degree, reward the Jedi for keeping their visibility low which is the general philosophy of the game towards Jedi in keeping their numbers low. The Jedi's visibility probably won't stay low for long because the game has been designed to make everything a Jedi does increase visibility. For example, initially creatures did not give visibility, but now they do. This by the way is not very realistic at all. Creatures would not be able to report a Jedi. After a Jedi does one of the Heroic instances they get enough visibility to have the NPC start attacking, lose the ability to use public transportation, etc., and get on the BH boards if they should be off. If a Jedi goes through all the trouble of losing their visibility or reducing it, there should be a reduction in the BH's ability to find them. As the Jedi's visibility quickly increases again, the BH would be able to find the Jedi as usual.
Motivation
To keep the game "realistic". There isn't a problem, just an idea to add some realism to the game.
In the interest of realism, when a Jedi reduces visibility, it should be harder for the Bounty Hunter to find them.
 
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Tyr said:
And BH are not an Alpha class. I will ask you the same as I ask Sal there, at this point why are you keeping this going?

You also said "Let me reduce my visibility when I can't play." Showing you don't even know how the system works even with the explanations and links provided
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So it is already there. Also the vis system is in place to stop this from becoming Jedi Wars which is really what you are asking for.
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Oh no it's an Alpha class, this is such an old very worn out argument. WoW death knights were an alpha class to and guess whay, people got better to counter it.

People seem to either not have jedi and are sour over it or they want to kill weaker non pvp jedi because that's the only jedi they can kill.

You want this accurate to the movies and shows them msje BH all red to each other when they take the bounty. Sometime bh work together, most other times they are trying to kill other BH just as much as the bounty mark. But it seems you just want jedi to be time accurate yet don't want the same for bounty hunters.

Maybe it's time to balance consequences since those against jedi want them soooo much but don't want anything against them even though the time frame on bounty hunters would say the same.

Do really think boba fett would have shared the bounty on Han with ig-88 or denger. It's pretty bad when beetles in the beetle cave give vis. I don't know they made any contact with the empire. There is vis and then there is overkill. Not saying remove it completely from instances but face it beetles aren't reporting anyone.
 
Pcarley1978 said:
Oh no it's an Alpha class, this is such an old very worn out argument. WoW death knights were an alpha class to and guess whay, people got better to counter it.

People seem to either not have jedi and are sour over it or they want to kill weaker non pvp jedi because that's the only jedi they can kill.

You want this accurate to the movies and shows them msje BH all red to each other when they take the bounty. Sometime bh work together, most other times they are trying to kill other BH just as much as the bounty mark. But it seems you just want jedi to be time accurate yet don't want the same for bounty hunters.

Maybe it's time to balance consequences since those against jedi want them soooo much but don't want anything against them even though the time frame on bounty hunters would say the same.

Do really think boba fett would have shared the bounty on Han with ig-88 or denger. It's pretty bad when beetles in the beetle cave give vis. I don't know they made any contact with the empire. There is vis and then there is overkill. Not saying remove it completely from instances but face it beetles aren't reporting anyone.
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Give it a rest already jfc , either get good , learn to manage visibility and READ how visibility works and how to read the npc chatter
also to suggest balancing the game around the movies/lore is dumb to say the least
 
jcan0918 said:
Give it a rest already jfc , either get good , learn to manage visibility and READ how visibility works and how to read the npc chatter
also to suggest balancing the game around the movies/lore is dumb to say the least
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So your solution is to get good, I could say the same thing for the BHs that can't beat a Jedi, but that just goes around in a circle. You solution is to get good instead of balance after all those against Jedi are all about balance but not at a cost to them. No wonder why so many jedi who don't play theirs don't want to weigh in they get attacked with no solutions other then get good, it's an alpha class, or you know what you signed up for. Try new material. I have offered several solutions and that has been the only responses.
 
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Pcarley1978 said:
So your solution is to get good, I could say the same thing for the BHs that can't beat a Jedi, but that just goes around in a circle. You solution is to get good instead of balance after all those against Jedi are all about balance but not at a cost to them. No wonder why so many jedi who don't play theirs don't want to weigh in they get attacked with no solutions other then get good, it's an alpha class, or you know what you signed up for. Try need material. I have offered several solutions and that has been the only responses.
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how about instead of picking and choosing what to answer , you actually read the whole response
Read and Learn how the visibility system works and how to manage your visibility , since from the sounds of it you wont or try to get good
 
jcan0918 said:
how about instead of picking and choosing what to answer , you actually read the whole response
Read and Learn how the visibility system works and how to manage your visibility , since from the sounds of it you wont or try to get good
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Again offering zero solutions, it's bad enough turning ghost in pve doesn't take you off the boards so you could essentially lose your Jedi 2 day. As for your get good comment, is that why BH had to have hunting jedi to the fourth box of investigation from master box because they refused to get good. It unbalanced BH. 3 decently good BH with creature handler, even 2 on the same target easily takes down a Jedi.

Is having more then one BH going after a Jedi BHs way of saying they refuse to get good so need lots of help. Maybe it's time to turn all BHs hostile to each other instead of allowing them to group up. Now that would help with Balance. Creature handlers on a BH are devastating. Essentially it could be a 6 on 1 fight. Let BH play as if they would in the movies fight for the mark.
 
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Pcarley1978 said:
3 decently good BH with creature handler, even 2 on the same target easily takes down a Jedi
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The data we have is not consistent with this. When we look at encounters between Jedi and Bounty Hunters, Jedi are successful at either evading and reducing visibility or defeating multi-attacker Bounty Hunters in about 60% of encounters, which is within the range we intend and is around the same as it was before the patch.
 
Pcarley1978 said:
beetles in the beetle cave give vis
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In all of our communications about visibility, we've made clear that only humanoids should be giving visibility (excluding instanced dungeon/heroic content, there it is intended to prevent Jedi farming instanced content). If you're getting them from bugs, that is a bug. Please report it accordingly.
 
Aconite said:
In all of our communications about visibility, we've made clear that only humanoids should be giving visibility (excluding instanced dungeon/heroic content, there it is intended to prevent Jedi farming instanced content). If you're getting them from bugs, that is a bug. Please report it accordingly.
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I understand why the vis is there. The amount it vis in instances is way to high. I think Jedi should get a mechanic to disguise themselves outside of the instance to help BHs though.

There could be timers in place with this and other mechanics in order so this wouldn't be a permitted way to avoid BHs. Today in HK the old man ghost from fate of the galaxy was bugged on one of the players. So we weren't just getting instance vis, we were getting that quest mob vis as well since they couldn't get rid of him. I had very very little blue vis text that came up, yet was too visible to take public transport. We killed everything before blue vis text popped up.
 
Pcarley1978 said:
I understand why the vis is there. The amount it vis in instances is way to high. I think Jedi should get a mechanic to disguise themselves outside of the instance to help BHs though.

There could be timers in place with this and other mechanics in order so this wouldn't be a permitted way to avoid BHs. Today in HK the old man ghost from fate of the galaxy was bugged on one of the players. So we weren't just getting instance vis, we were getting that quest mob vis as well since they couldn't get rid of him. I had very very little blue vis text that came up, yet was too visible to take public transport. We killed everything before blue vis text popped up.
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Given what Aconite just said how is Vis to high in instances? You can run 1 or 2 heroics and still not get on the boards AND you get dump like 3000 vis in 1 hour by going to your shrine. If the vis was any lower the farming would be worse. Think it through - you could run the instance and come out and take a break (eat dinner, take a shower, watch the news, whatever) and let your guy be at his shrine and 30 to 45 minutes later you can do another. Rinse and repeat. Just have to think about things a little more with playing Jedi.

And yes there are still things that need tuned up in different areas in regards to vis. But the answer is not to lower it but to fix the bugs.
 
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Try 1 instance, did 1 instance with zero vis going in and ended up on the boards. The steep increase on vis with more then 1 Jedi is really really bad.
 
Pcarley1978 said:
Try 1 instance, did 1 instance with zero vis going in and ended up on the boards. The steep increase on vis with more then 1 Jedi is really really bad.
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How many jedi did you have and on which instance, I would be interested in taking some buddies to TC and looking at the numbers on that. We ran DF Army with four Jedi and didn't get on the boards, just had them barking at us.

Doing DF2 afterwards definitely got us there but that was on us for running four Jedi.

Edited: Initial message could have been seen as rude, I made changes to avoid that.
 
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Hk, I am pretty sure it was because of the buggy fate of the galaxy quest. The old man needs to have vis removed from the quest, we had 3. I understand why the vis was put in instances, it really needs to be dialed down a lot though. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if you didn't ghost in a instance and then still remain in the boards. You could be locked out of your character for almost 48 hours. I get they want Jedi to have draw backs. This amount of time is super overkill.

Plus a million jedi experience lost, so this means if you don't have built up experience, you now not only are down almost 48 hours , you are also down the experience which you are only getting by getting vis to recover it to only be killed again. I understand the want to reduce jedi. But to the point people potentially can't use it for 2 days at a time. If they made it so the bounty vanishes that would solve half the problem.
 
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Hk, I am pretty sure it was because of the buggy fate of the galaxy quest. The old man needs to have vis removed from the quest, we had 3. I understand why the vis was put in instances, it really needs to be dialed down a lot though. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if you didn't ghost in a instance and then still remain in the boards. You could be locked out of your character for almost 48 hours. I get they want Jedi to have draw backs. This amount of time is super overkill.

Plus a million jedi experience lost, so this means if you don't have built up experience, you now not only are down almost 48 hours , you are also down the experience which you are only getting by getting vis to recover it to only be killed again. I understand the want to reduce jedi. But to the point people potentially can't use it for 2 days at a time. If they made it so the bounty vanishes that would solve half the problem.
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48hrs lock out , you say
i say lay down the pipe
 
Pcarley1978 said:
Hk, I am pretty sure it was because of the buggy fate of the galaxy quest. The old man needs to have vis removed from the quest, we had 3. I understand why the vis was put in instances, it really needs to be dialed down a lot though. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if you didn't ghost in a instance and then still remain in the boards. You could be locked out of your character for almost 48 hours. I get they want Jedi to have draw backs. This amount of time is super overkill.

Plus a million jedi experience lost, so this means if you don't have built up experience, you now not only are down almost 48 hours , you are also down the experience which you are only getting by getting vis to recover it to only be killed again. I understand the want to reduce jedi. But to the point people potentially can't use it for 2 days at a time. If they made it so the bounty vanishes that would solve half the problem.
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So you were already on the Boards from Fate of the Galaxy before you went in to HK? Going in with more than 2 Jedi is going to be an issue and I do not see how you are down for 48 hours?

Edit - I also want to say that when you were told the system probably won't change you said you would post every day until it does and you are managing to do that so kudo's on the tenacity.
 
No, someone in the group had the old man who wouldnt stop following us. Ok as for the time frame, you die on pve and down for 18 hours, you are still on the boards and get killed soon after coming back, puts you out for 42 hours in a short period of time, since unless you get a BH to ghost you, you are essentially locked out 42 hours. Plus the amount of time to get any boxes back you might have lost because you didnt have any built up exp. This leads to a lot of down time. No other professions lose any time at all. No mmo has ever punished a class like this. Can you imagine the uproar if non jedi got locked out as long. On top of that, you need to pick certain templates not to get constantly killed by BH every time you hit the boards. No jedi get a massive increase in power with optional trees, BH got unbalanced with not needing to take master to hunt Jedi, on top of optional trees to unlock.
 
Pcarley1978 said:
No, someone in the group had the old man who wouldnt stop following us. Ok as for the time frame, you die on pve and down for 18 hours, you are still on the boards and get killed soon after coming back, puts you out for 42 hours in a short period of time, since unless you get a BH to ghost you, you are essentially locked out 42 hours. Plus the amount of time to get any boxes back you might have lost because you didnt have any built up exp. This leads to a lot of down time. No other professions lose any time at all. No mmo has ever punished a class like this. Can you imagine the uproar if non jedi got locked out as long. On top of that, you need to pick certain templates not to get constantly killed by BH every time you hit the boards. No jedi get a massive increase in power with optional trees, BH got unbalanced with not needing to take master to hunt Jedi, on top of optional trees to unlock.
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Ok so that Old Man was the problem not the vis piece. Also even though you say you understand why the vis system is in place but then show you don't by calling it a punishment and making assumptions about getting killed right away etc. Also BH are not an Alpha class and if you can't kill or escape 1 single BH the issue is you not the the BH. I would like to see you play a BH and just try hunting Jedi before commenting some of the things you have. If you were playing your BH you would complaining about Jedi. I am sorry that you can not play your Jedi ina way that makes this Jedi Wars. You keep going round and round on this even when it is explained to you.

Blaming this on a bug/glitch with the Old Man is not productive and does not make your point. Get zero vis and try it again with 1 or 2 and guess what? You won't get on the boards. Come out and go to your shrine for a bit while you get a snack or something and poof vis is gone again. Rinse, repeat and you can run your Jedi all night this way if you are careful. Why you can't grasp this simple concept eludes me. OH and FYI MUS loses 18k credits if you don't fail the quest/timer. So Jedi is not the only prof that has something attached like that.
 
Tyr said:
Ok so that Old Man was the problem not the vis piece. Also even though you say you understand why the vis system is in place but then show you don't by calling it a punishment and making assumptions about getting killed right away etc. Also BH are not an Alpha class and if you can't kill or escape 1 single BH the issue is you not the the BH. I would like to see you play a BH and just try hunting Jedi before commenting some of the things you have. If you were playing your BH you would complaining about Jedi. I am sorry that you can not play your Jedi ina way that makes this Jedi Wars. You keep going round and round on this even when it is explained to you.

Blaming this on a bug/glitch with the Old Man is not productive and does not make your point. Get zero vis and try it again with 1 or 2 and guess what? You won't get on the boards. Come out and go to your shrine for a bit while you get a snack or something and poof vis is gone again. Rinse, repeat and you can run your Jedi all night this way if you are careful. Why you can't grasp this simple concept eludes me. OH and FYI MUS loses 18k credits if you don't fail the quest/timer. So Jedi is not the only prof that has something attached like that.
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lol its not often it is just one BH, You can have three, and if they are CHs then 6 on 1, and no one can help you at all. I think its time to make all BHs red to each other on bounty missions. whoever gets the kill gets the money. it would reduce the gank squads.
 
Tyr said:
Ok so that Old Man was the problem not the vis piece. Also even though you say you understand why the vis system is in place but then show you don't by calling it a punishment and making assumptions about getting killed right away etc. Also BH are not an Alpha class and if you can't kill or escape 1 single BH the issue is you not the the BH. I would like to see you play a BH and just try hunting Jedi before commenting some of the things you have. If you were playing your BH you would complaining about Jedi. I am sorry that you can not play your Jedi ina way that makes this Jedi Wars. You keep going round and round on this even when it is explained to you.

Blaming this on a bug/glitch with the Old Man is not productive and does not make your point. Get zero vis and try it again with 1 or 2 and guess what? You won't get on the boards. Come out and go to your shrine for a bit while you get a snack or something and poof vis is gone again. Rinse, repeat and you can run your Jedi all night this way if you are careful. Why you can't grasp this simple concept eludes me. OH and FYI MUS loses 18k credits if you don't fail the quest/timer. So Jedi is not the only prof that has something attached like that.
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as for poof you vis is gone, is pointless once you hut the boards, it does not drop.
 
Pcarley1978 said:
as for poof you vis is gone, is pointless once you hut the boards, it does not drop.
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Ok I will play hamster wheel some more. Your vis does go down even if you are on the boards. It might not remove you from the boards but it does drop. The point is to not get on them in the first place or just accept what comes if you make a choice to do so.
 
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lol its not often it is just one BH, You can have three, and if they are CHs then 6 on 1, and no one can help you at all. I think its time to make all BHs red to each other on bounty missions. whoever gets the kill gets the money. it would reduce the gank squads.
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Which shows you still don't listen to folks or even the devs about the how and why of the system. You play hamster wheel and decide to ignore things. When 1 BH is brought up and you can't sustain the point about one you move the goalposts and talk about 3. If they changed it to just 1 BH only they would practically never kill a Jedi.
 
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