Not Implemented Allow crafters to level up

ByteMe said:

A level 80 crafter isn't going to have the same abilities or capabilities as a level 80 combat toon. A level 80 crafter isn't going to dazzle anyone with their swordsmanship or rifle skills. They'll have none of the combat skill tree attacks or defenses. However, they won't be outright killed by a level 14 mob and they'll be able to put a level 60 droid into play. How about skill level being based on skill tree accomplishment and being referred to as SL instead of CL.

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PhilmorALF said:

I can say just by reviewing that actual proposal, that you could let a crafter be a level 80...or you could let them he a level 200...and I don't see what value that would bring to a crafter/entertainer.

They would not get any sort of mitigation for armor hindrence - because that doesn't make sense. They can still wear armor now to get protections, and tape them up to get extra health/defenses.

This essentially come down to people want to use a droid.

For those of you that don't know - the idea was floated by devs to introduce new modifiers into the RE system to allow for exotics that a crafter could use to pull out out droids X levels higher than themselves. I do think this was an interesting and easier way to implement a solution for the crafting community rather than start calculating CLs from non combat professions. I'd certainly hate to be that crafter that is lvl 80 who decides to respec into combat - and now they're pulling high end missions without any real combat skills.

I'm pro 'assisting' crafters in certain scenarios - but no amount of help should be implemented for crafters throwing harvesters on Dath or Endor - as that doesn't make much sense. At some point there is a line that shouldn't be crossed.

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PhilmorALF said:

What this tells me is you would like game where you can have a single character that has their hands in every-pot - and not specialize in one thing, but be just as proficient as the characters that do choose a specialization. I'm sorry to tell you - but this isn't that server - and from what I can tell - there are no intentions to make it that way. I'm very much 'pro crafter', and I don't know where you get the impression I'm not part of the 'We', but the game also needs to make sense.

It sounds like you have two thirds of your points spread across base combat professions - which is not effective by any means - as you have found out. You can't expect to be a crafter, an entertainer, have some combat and heals, and also to be a CL80, which unlocks the use of weapons that are set at a level for combat characters that have mastered an advanced profession (CL54). It doesn't make sense.

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juspar said:

What this tells me is that you are new here. You're calling out players that you don't know the history or experience of, and you're pushing ideas based on some memory of a game that does not match what most of us recall. You had 4 of the 5 basic novice boxes on your pre-cu toon? This tells me that you also don't really understand the game at all.

I look forward to hearing more from you once you have played the game a bit and learned about it.

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ByteMe said:

All good points and I agree with you. I just don't think a pure crafter who's at a skill level of 80 is going to be expecting to put harvesters on Dath or Endor. They'll be able to get better armor, call droids, and wear looted clothes.

I'm not for the "xx higher than they are" thought process. We already have that for everyone (+5 levels). Crafters can be very low level, my master crafter is a 3. What defines a 'crafter' for the purposes of pulling a droid, wouldn't that be everyone? A level CL 3 master crafter with all his boxes checked, is the same CL as a newbie pistoleer CL 3. They could both theoretically pull level 8 droids. How would development differentiate between someone doing a lot of crafting, a new person, or someone doing crafting and a combat tree to allow the crafter to pull higher level droid based on their crafting level?

I'd certainly hate to be that crafter that is lvl 80 who decides to respec into combat - and now they're pulling high end missions without any real combat skills. - That's a valid point, but what's the drawback? A crafter surrenders a couple of skills and picks up pistoleer then gets a level 65 mission. I don't think that'll end well for him. If the crafter wanted lower missions, they'd have to surrender all crafting skills to get their skill level back down to a reasonable level. I would need to think this one through.

I definitely believe droids should be capped at 40 for anyone that isn't a Master in a combat class (maybe lower). (i.e. Crafters and such). The object is to let them work on Tatooine and other low / mid level worlds with a chance to survive, not drop harvesters on Dath and Endor.

My final point is that I don't just think it's droids. Certainly it isn't for me, it's also clothes. There are level 80 clothes that are useful for crafting that crafters can't wear (my master crafter is a level 3).

Good points and good discussion, thanks PhilmorALF.

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ThriceBurnt said:

I understood the game just fine. I did what I enjoyed, with a modest amount of self-sufficiency in simple foods and stims, and was a happy customer of the more proficient when it came to armor, weapons, and fine drink. It really was surprising sometimes, what used to be possible with only a minimal combat template. I soloed the Warren and a couple versions of the Corvette (granted, by sneaking not fighting).

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