Mass PvP should be prioritized over BH tefs

Mass PvP should be prioritized over BH tefs
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ShadowNova82

Proposal
- Change how the BH/Jedi tef works to prevent intentional culling during mass PvP.

- Specifically: if a Jedi is flagged SF prior to the initiation of a bh tef, it should not prevent the Jedi from receiving support from other flagged players. However, if a BH initiates the tef while the Jedi is on leave or combatant, the Jedi should be unable to /pvp to avoid abusing/cheesing the system.
Justification
- Currently, even while engaged in mass PvP a Jedi ceases being able to receive any kind of support from other SF flagged players once a BH initiates a tef.

- During mass PvP players from both factions are swapping to a BH character (or leaving on their active BH), pulling a SF Jedi’s mission, and then using this mechanic to intentionally cull Jedi out of a fight rather than countering it organically in the spirit of mass PvP.
Motivation
- Jedi should have a place in mass PvP that isn’t circumvented by players using the tef system to cheese a kill for ghosting.
Ultimately Jedi will still have to contend with visibility and mass reporting by opposing players if present for an extended period of PvP. This will result in an accelerated timeframe for being Vadered while also being the likely focus of the opposing factions players.

The resto specific mechanics are more than enough to limit both the time and number of Jedi that are able to be present before being forced to leave due to Inquisitors and Vader. The BH tef as it currently exists is an unnecessary for balance and being used in a manner that is not keeping with the spirit of the type of PvP that is actively occurring.
 
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Actairr said:
I do wonder how much of an issue this is though. How many people run off to a terminal to try and find the right mission to pull the Jedi out of the PvP fight? Likewise how many of those Jedi need healing help to take out a single BH? Seems if you’re a Jedi that PVPs you will be fine taking out a loan BH and returning to help your friends.
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This may probably only apply for Pre-CU PVP..

But it have not been uncommon for me to see:
  • Enough BH alts to keep your "key" jedi out of terminals, simply by all having the mission (This was a thing when ect. 3 BHs could max have your mission at once)
  • BHs having missions of Jedi, simply to TEF them out of the fight, this would mostly be the Jedi Healer which at least in Pre-CU group PVP was reliant on.
  • BHs having own allies missions, wait for the right moment to drop group, kill their "own faction" and get the reward.
But with what is suggested, the tables will be turned to:
  • Jedi will stay grouped together, and bait the BH to apply TEF - When/if the BH attacks the Jedi, the Jedi Group gets TEF'ed to the BH - and can easily overpower the BH.
While I understand the suggestion, and where he is coming from - from my experience, there is balance no this.

Its for me either, favor the Jedi or favor the BH.

There is no shortage of how creative players can be, when altering the scale - my only suggestion is tread carefully when/if changing this, as people will find ways around to abuse it for their own advantage.
 
nitan said:
This may probably only apply for Pre-CU PVP..

But it have not been uncommon for me to see:
  • Enough BH alts to keep your "key" jedi out of terminals, simply by all having the mission (This was a thing when ect. 3 BHs could max have your mission at once)
  • BHs having missions of Jedi, simply to TEF them out of the fight, this would mostly be the Jedi Healer which at least in Pre-CU group PVP was reliant on.
  • BHs having own allies missions, wait for the right moment to drop group, kill their "own faction" and get the reward.
But with what is suggested, the tables will be turned to:
  • Jedi will stay grouped together, and bait the BH to apply TEF - When/if the BH attacks the Jedi, the Jedi Group gets TEF'ed to the BH - and can easily overpower the BH.
While I understand the suggestion, and where he is coming from - from my experience, there is balance no this.

Its for me either, favor the Jedi or favor the BH.

There is no shortage of how creative players can be, when altering the scale - my only suggestion is tread carefully when/if changing this, as people will find ways around to abuse it for their own advantage.
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One issue here is that Jedi are an Alpha class so "favoring" them over the non-alpha class seems bonkers and to go against how the system is setup now. Current baby Jedi are 1 Jedi-3 BH can take the bounty. GTEF was tested and was a resounding no. Jedi would become way to strong if they could have all these others helping and healing them against normy BH.

It is fine as it is really.
 
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